Well Ubuntu is now chugging through a dist-upgrade in the background to bring me dapper. This is the kind of thing I love Debian for, you can always rely on it pretty much working when you a dist-upgrade after a cock-eyed installation procedure. I hope this does. I have been really impressed by Ubuntu's hardware autodetection. I guess it's great when it works, and it did on my pretty basic old p3 workhorse. I used breezy for a few days and found the default environment pretty easy to use, but I found it hid a bit too much detail for me. Following the system->administration->->Add Applications menu seemed to offer only a few things and although you could choose to show all or something it just didn't seem tobe everything. That probably sounded a bit retarded but I've still bringing dapper down the tube so can't really check it out now to check. Sadly, one other thing I found annoying was that I couldn't see any obvious way to change mime-type associations under gnome (2.12 I think). It's probably really simple but I not a gnome user at heart and I tried hard enough to make me install my alternative of choice. Anyway, I've just checked and dapper gives me 2.14 whatever that entails. Anyway, it's a glorious evening here for once so I'm going outside.